Other blokes can post all they want, Alison. Myeehhh.
I don't know about Gabe's site, I don't give half a crap about links, I already know everyone's site anyway. I'll put up the bloody link. Fugglemush. *mumbling*
I never even made the stinking site... Plubbleglum...!
Remember Puddleglum from The Chronicles of Narnia? Silly bloke, always smoking the wacky tobaccy.
posted by Ryan at 10:03 PM though the day is young, as are we.
You don't meet too many people that are pro-abortion. Probably because few blokes think that babies should die. Except for Almeda during that brief voluntary extinction thingy. That was cute.
And if you're superstitious, stop being, or else I'll break a mirror over your bloody (or soon-to-be bloody) head.
posted by Ryan at 12:18 AM though the day is young, as are we.
Thanks for the clarification. I also want to go on the record that I agree with Gabe. I am pro-chioce but not anti-life. I like that.
posted by Sagé at 11:19 PM though the day is young, as are we.
I think what she means Sage, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that kate is for life. Not to say that she is against abortion, she is satirizing the terminology. Like everything in this world (especially nowadays) perception is very important. It's a simple question of propaganda. During war, we "neutralize a possible threat," not bomb a civilian village. If you go to Vegas, perhaps you explain to your wife you were "given a sound lesson in economy and theories of probability," not cleaned out of the life savings. So too is the abortion debate, one side chose the name "pro-life" because it sounds better, and if you're not pro-life, you must be anti-life, and what a horrible thing to be! Also, I find it mildly amusing that someone tried to spark a political debate, but it seems as if we're all fairly liberal. And for the record, I'm pro-choice (but not anti-life). Though I believe that the fetus should not be aborted once it is well into development.
posted by Carl Perkins at 11:15 PM though the day is young, as are we.
Okay Cheney-girl, this is what I percieve you saying... You are pro-life though you don't think anyone should tell a woman what to do with her body. To me that sounds a little hypocritical. I am not criticizing what you are saying. I am actually puzzled and don't understand your meaning. I think that should you become pregnant for whatever reason, you would carry the "parasite" to term and have the baby whether or not you could handle it financially, with or with out a partner blah blah blah. What I continue to gather is that once the baby is born you don't mind if it is put up for adoption or whatever... Will you please clarify your first entry?
posted by Sagé at 10:07 PM though the day is young, as are we.
Maybe because Alison said: "Hey, Aaron wants in, elfieslostshoes@yahoo.com I believe, could you hook him up? Thanks, Ry."
;P
posted by kate at 3:32 PM though the day is young, as are we.
I prepared some basic information on abortion for the ACLU a while ago, and thought I might share it with y'all:
Information about: Abortions
Abortion: the end of a pregnancy before viability.
* Spontaneous abortion or miscarriage is when an embryo or fetus dies in the womb and is expelled by the body.
* Induced abortion is when a woman decides to end her pregnancy voluntarily.
Common reasons for abortions
* She doesn't have the financial resources to support a child.
* The father or her parents pressure her.
* She doesn't feel emotionally or physically strong enough to go through the pregnancy and raise the child.
* She believes raising another child would short-change her existing children.
* She is a student and/or without a partner; she feels that raising a child would be too difficult and disruptive at her time in life.
* She doesn't want other people to know that she became pregnant.
* A child would interfere with her career or education.
* She is a rape or incest survivor and does not want to bear a child that was conceived in violence.
* She may fear physical abuse or being tossed out onto the street by a parent if they learn of her pregnancy.
* In the case of a multiple pregnancy, the woman may be faced with giving birth to more newborns than she feels she can deal with.
Statistics
* More than 90 percent of all induced abortions are performed during the first three months of pregnancy.
* More than half are performed within the first two months.
* Approximately 1.6 million U.S. women with unwanted pregnancies choose abortion each year.
* Most are under 25 years old and unmarried.
* Women who are separated from their husbands and poor women are more likely to choose abortion than other women.
* More than two-thirds of the women who seek abortions have jobs and plan to have a child in the future; nearly one-thirds are in school.
* Approximately six million women in the U.S. become pregnant every year. About half of those pregnancies are unintended. Either the woman or her partner did not use contraception or the contraceptive method failed.
United States Supreme Court Ruling: Roe vs. Wade (1973)
* a woman and her doctor may freely decide to terminate a pregnancy during the first trimester
* state governments can restrict abortion access after the first trimester with laws intended to protect the woman's health,
* abortions after fetal viability must be available if the woman's health or life are at risk; state governments can prohibit other abortions
Laws Restricting Abortions
16 states still have pre-1973 anti-abortion laws on the books even though they are clearly unconstitutional and nullified under Roe vs. Wade.
There have been many attempts since 1973 to reduce free access to abortions. Laws have been passed by some states and at the federal level to:
* Require counseling and/or a cooling-off period before an abortion is performed
* Require an underage woman to notify, or obtain permission, from a parent, guardian or court
* End financial support for women in poverty who seek abortions
* Ban abortions after viability of the fetus unless required to preserve the woman's life or health.
Three Important Decisions
Webster: In Webster v. Reproductive Health Services, 492 U.S. 490 (1989), the Supreme Court declared in a 5:4 decision that a Missouri law was constitutional. It stated that:
* Human life began at conception
* That Missouri state property could not be used to conduct abortions
* A fetal viability assessment could be required before late term abortions are performed.
Akron Center: In Ohio v Akron Ctr. for Reproductive Health, 497 U.S. 502 (1990), the Court ruled 6:3 that a state could require a parent or guardian to be notified before an under-aged woman received an abortion. However, a provision must be in place for a judge to by-pass this requirement if he/she regards it to be in the best interest of the woman.
Casey: In Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992), the court ruled 5:4 that Pennsylvania could require:
* A 24 hour waiting period before an abortion is performed.
* That the woman give her informed consent to the abortion.
* That parent or guardian be notified before an abortion on a minor.
Sources: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abortion.htm
http://www.ppcna.org/
posted by kate at 1:23 PM though the day is young, as are we.
I'm pro-life. I love life. Life's a wonderful thing, a beautiful thing.
I also believe that ain't no one got a right to tell a woman what to do with her body. You give someone that power [let's say that someone is the largely white-male government] and you're reducing women to child-bearing cattle. If I somehow got pregnant [the how doesn't matter], and the government says that I can't rid the parasite [which is, in effect, what a fetus is] from my body, that I have to carry it around in my uterus for nine months of my life, they're telling me what to do with my body, i.e., give birth. And I'm definitely not down with that.
posted by kate at 1:22 PM though the day is young, as are we.
I am pro choice. Some people don't put themselves in the position of the father. Though rape doesn't seem an issue to me either. That is another reason I am pro choice. What if the father can't handle the baby... money, mentally, even physically. I'm talking about this from the guy's pov. Don't think I haven't thought about the woman's side. You guys are just having such a good tme with it. I have thought about every which angle I possibly can in this case. At least I think I have tried. Again a blanket comment, but still...
posted by Sagé at 7:37 PM though the day is young, as are we.
I don't think men should have much of a say during abortion unless they are bound to the woman (for example, conceived the child, or is the woman's husband). It seems like many of the pro-life supporters are men. So, I'm pro-choice, because I don't think it's my place to decide what another couple or another woman does with their/her baby.
posted by Ryan at 12:45 PM though the day is young, as are we.
Just out of curiosity, what's everybody's position on abortion?
Personally, i'm pro-choice. Rather dead than suffering. Fetus isn't even concious in the first place. If it's done properly by a doctor, the mother isn't hurt, i see no reason why abortion shouldn't go ahead with itself. Our body, our business. *shrug*. Anyway, i wont attack u if you are against, but i'm curious to hear your views.
posted by Hannah at 10:37 PM though the day is young, as are we.
If you know other blokes who you want to be on "Everybody," then give me their e-mail address.
posted by Ryan at 3:57 PM though the day is young, as are we.
